2.    Advanced Placement (AP) on IGETC

  7.    Critical Thinking on IGETC

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8.    Double Counting on IGETC

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Questions/Answers

                    Note:  For UC, if the student completes the year composition sequence at
                    U of O (three 3-quarter-unit English composition courses) the student would 
                    meet the UC-E requirement of two English composition courses needed for
                    admission. However, the student has not met the IGETC minimum unit 
                    requirement for courses in Area 1.  In addition, the student has not met the
                    Critical Thinking component of IGETC Area 1B.  This student could apply for
                    partial IGETC missing Area 1A and 1B. 

                    For CSU, if the student completes the year composition sequence at U of O 
                    (three 3-quarter-unit English composition courses) the student would not
                    meet the admission requirement for critical thinking.

        Answer: The bottom line is that the Standards do not limit any areas that may be
                      missing for partial certification. 

                Example:    A transfer student could have been eligible out of high school,
                therefore it is possible that a student could be admitted missing
                courses in Areas 1 and/or 2, depending on the criteria used by the
                receiving institution during the admissions cycle. 

                Example:    A UC-bound student who has completed 2 composition courses at a
                non-CCC.  This student would be admissible; however, they would  
                be missing Area 1B (Composition and Critical Thinking).

                The students in these examples must be granted partial certification.
                Regarding Partial Certification, this is the warning in 11.4 of IGETC Standards:

                "Warning: Students need to meet minimum UC/CSU transfer admission
                requirements.  Therefore, partial certification that acknowledges a deficiency
                in IGETC Area 1 and/or 2 may also indicate a student does not meet minimum
                transfer requirements. Community colleges should make every effort to notify
                students of this potential problem.”

                CCC campuses should exercise caution and make sure students meet minimum
                admission requirements if you are going to certify them missing critical thinking. 
                We can't imagine  someone getting partial certification missing Math, but who 
                knows, maybe it could happen. 

        Answer: Yes.  However, as stated in IGETC Standards Section 10.1.2b, since it is
                      unlikely that institutions other than California Community Colleges will have
                      a combined course in Critical Thinking/English Composition; certification of
                      coursework from other institutions to satisfy this requirement is not common.
                      However, there are some courses outside the CCC system that have been
                      found to meet this requirement. Care should be taken when evaluating the
                      course to ensure that it meets the course requirements

         Here are 2 examples.  

         Example 1:    SDSU RWS 200 Rhetoric of Written Arguments in Context,  can be 
            used to clear IGETC 1B since it clears the intermediate composition
            and critical thinking requirement at SDSU and it is a combination
            composition/critical thinking course as outlined in Section 10.1.2b
            of The  IGETC Standards.

        Example 2:     CSUN CHS 202, Race, Racism and Critical Thinking does not clear
            IGETC 1B.  While it meets the critical thinking requirement at CSUN 
            it does not meet the analytical reading and expository writing
            requirement for CSUN.  In other words it is not, a “combined course
            in Critical Thinking/English Composition” which is required per the
            IGETC Standards.

    Answer:    The certifying campus can use AP exams, one for Area 1A and the other for
                     Area 3B. For IGETC certification purposes, each exam will equate to 3 semester
                     or 4 quarter units. Regarding UC AP credit for admissions purposes, the student
                     would receive a maximum of 8 quarter units for both exams. Use
                     “Quick Reference for Counselors” for AP test credit.  
                     http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/educators/counselors/resources/materials/QR.pdf

             At the CSU, the student would receive 12 semester units for both exams. 
             The CSU also has a systemwide AP policy.  It can be found at     
             http://www.calstate.edu/app/general_education.shtml 

    Answer:     Students cannot use the two English AP exams to satisfy the UC/CSU
                     transfer eligibility requirement in English Composition.

                     For UC and CSU admission:  Students who take both English AP exams will
                     receive credit for one English composition requirement.

                     For IGETC:  Students will receive IGETC Area 1A and Area 3B credit.

          Note: UC and CSU admission requirements and IGETC requirements are separate.

        Answer:   A student missing area 5A and 5B is eligible for partial IGETC as long as
                       they have completed all other areas of IGETC.  The laboratory requirement
                       is included in the 2 courses as indicated in the IGETC Standards copied
                       below.

                       10.5 Subject Area 5 A/B: Physical and Biological Sciences (at least 2
                       courses: 7-9 semester, 9-12 quarter units); A minimum of one course in
                       each area is required, and at least one must include a laboratory

                               Other Examples:  
                      A)   Student completes one 3-semester-unit biological science without lab
                            and one 3- semester-unit physical science course without lab. 

                Conclusion:  The student is missing 1 course in area 5.

                B)   Student completes one 3-semester-unit biological science with lab and
                      one 3-semester-unit physical  science course without lab. 

                Conclusion:  The student is missing 1 unit and is also considered to be
                                    missing one course in Area 5. Student in this situation can either
                                    take a 1- unit-lab course that corresponds to the physical science 
                                    lecture course or take a 3-semester or 4-quarter unit biological or
                                    physical science course to fulfill the Area. 

        Answer:  A CCC, CSU or UC faculty member may verify proficiency for satisfaction of    
                      Area 6: LOTE. A letter on letterhead from a CCC, CSU or UC faculty member 
                      verifying that they have  confirmed proficiency equivalent to 2 years of high
                      school foreign language must be acquired.  The certifying CCC campus does
                      not need to send documentation verifying proficiency to the receiving institution. 
                      However, the CCC campus should keep the letter on file for reference.

                      A sample document used by Chabot to validate proficiency can be found on
                      http://www.ccctransfer.org

                      Click on IGETC Forms, Addresses, Sample Letters.

        Answer: UC considers LOTE a proficiency level and it therefore counts as one
                     missing area rather than two courses. A partial certification could be
                     deficient in Area 6A and an additional course.

Answer:  The CCCs are required to provide the information stated on the form by:
                                A) Using the suggested form (Section 11.5) or
                                B) Including all of the information on their own form or transcript

        Answer:  Yes, if a student is partially certified, matriculates to a UC or CSU, but was, 
                       in actuality, fully certified prior to matriculation, then the CCC is responsible 
                       for fully certifying the student.  However, the university may use the partial
                       certification along with the other student records to clear full certification.

                    Example:    Student transfers to a UC campus with partial IGETC certification,
                                      missing Area 6:LOTE.  At the UC campus, the student’s counselor
                                      notices that this requirement was completed in high school. The
                                      student should return to the CCC for full certification and the CCC
                                      is obligated to fully certify. However, the university may use the
                                      partial certification along with the student’s high school
                                      transcript to clear full certification. 

               Answer:  The CCC in this example is applying the policy correctly. 

                             Example: A student takes a CCC U.S. History course that is comparable to
                                   the  AP U.S. History exam. The student is planning to attend
                                   UCLA as a Political Science major. Quick Reference shows the AP
                                   U.S. History exam is not articulated with a particular course at
                                   UCLA.  The student would therefore receive unit credit for the AP 
                                   exam and the CCC course. However, for IGETC purposes this is
                                   considered duplication of coursework. Therefore, only the course
                                   or the AP exam may be applied to IGETC. 

                   The UC/CCC/CSU IGETC committee will look at revising the language in the
                   Standards to better clarify this issues, such as:

        “If AP courses at a particular UC/CSU are given specific course credit, 
         students should not take those same courses at the CCC. If this occurs, a 
         student will not receive credit for both the AP and the course for admission
         or IGETC.”

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            Answer: Yes, counselors should continue to use the UC Quick Reference AP chart to
           determine unit designation for admission purposes.     
           http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/educators/counselors/resources/materials/QR.pdf

           CSU also has a systemwide AP policy as outlined in E.O. 1036, Section 1.2.4.  
           This list is posted at:
            www.calstate.edu/app/general_education.shtml 

   Answer:  For IGETC purposes, this would be considered duplication of coursework.

                  Example: UC Davis awards AP Psychology units but only grants course 
                  credit with a score of 4 or 5.  A student with a score of 3 is allowed to
                  enroll in Psych 1, a general psychology course. This student then enrolls
                  at a CCC campus and follows IGETC because he/she is not returning to
                  UC Davis.

                  The student can apply either the AP Psychology exam or the psychology
                  course to IGETC Area 4, not both.

    Answer:    Policy information is not housed in ASSIST.  The combined UC/CSU AP
                    chart for IGETC can be found in the IGETC Standards Section 7.1 and        
                    accessed at http://www.ccctransfer.com/igetc.htm. 

        Answer:  It is the responsibility of the student to provide the course outline/syllabus
                       they would like a non-CCC course considered for IGETC applicability.

                Answer:    Faculty involvement is not necessary if the course description from the 
                  non-CCC course matches the course description from another CCC.  In
                  this case, the faculty designee can apply the  course to the appropriate
                  IGETC area. 

                  If it is not clear, the student will need to provide a course outline or 
                  syllabus and the appropriate faculty or faculty designee will then determine
                  if the course is applicable to IGETC.

        CCC campuses have different models regarding review of non-CCC courses. 
        It is understood that each individual community college creates practices
        that best serve their campus.  It is important that the CCC practice adheres
        to the intent of the Standards. 

        Answer:  If a UC/CSU GE/breadth course satisfies a breadth area that has a
                      comparable IGETC Area, there does not need to be a comparable
                      CCC course.  However, courses that satisfy English composition or
                      quantitative reasoning should be scrutinized.

    Example 1:  UC Irvine’s Women's Studies 60A meets a UCI breadth
                                requirement in Social and Behavioral Sciences. It could be 
                                used toward satisfaction of IGETC Area 4, even if the CCC
                                does not offer a comparable course.  It would not be necessary
                                to check if another CCC offered a similar course.

    Example 2:  UC Irvine’s ASIANAM 142 course meets the campus’s Multicultural  
                                Studies and International/Global Issues breadth requirement.  There
                                is no comparable IGETC area and no comparable CCC course. Therefore,
                                this course could not be used on IGETC even though it meets a UC
                                breadth.

    Example 3:  Student takes Philosophy 2, Logic and Humanities 1A/B/C, the
                                Humanities Core at UCI. Philosophy 2 meets the quantitative reasoning
                                GE requirement and Humanities 1A/B/C meets the composition
                                requirement at UCI.  These courses cannot be used on IGETC as they
                                do not meet the IGETC Standards for these areas.  The student should
                                be advised to request partial IGETC certification missing Areas 1A and 2.

    Answer:        There was unanimous agreement by the IGETC committee that the content
                         of the course should be considered rather than the date of acceptance. 
                         Courses are removed for a variety of reasons and generally at the discretion
                         of the CCC.  As long as the course content is a match to a once-approved IGETC
                         course, it may be used. 

                  As a reminder, all CCC courses and their approval dates must be applied to
                  IGETC as indicated on the official IGETC agreements posted on ASSIST.

    Answer:    No.  ASSIST is funded and maintained as an agency of the State of California,
                    and is intended only  to facilitate transfer among the state’s three segments of
                    public postsecondary education.

    Answer:   For UC, IGETC information can be found on the University of California
                    website: www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/igetc  under the
                    “Applying Courses” section: “Courses may be used only once to satisfy
                    one IGETC subject area, even if they are listed in the course agreement
                    under more than one subject area. Courses may be used to satisfy
                    both IGETC and major requirements.”

            For CSU, double-counting courses for IGETC and major requirements
            are determined campus by campus and department by department. 
            Refer to the CSU document “Campus-Specific Practices for Transfer
            Admission” for guidelines, available at calstate.edu/sas.

    Answer:   Students who complete IGETC before transfer but fail to request
                    certification will be directed back to the sending institution to obtain
                    a completed form. Sending institutions will respond as quickly as possible 
                    but may not be able to accommodate these requests immediately,
                    such as during peak workload periods. Students should be advised to
                    allow sufficient time for processing.  IGETC certification timelines are at
                    the discretion of the individual CCC. 

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